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cybercobre (26 posts) Click to EMail cybercobre Click to send private message to cybercobre Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-19-02, 05:04 PM (GMT)
"So you wanna do it for a living...."
There are a LOT of artists on the net. There are even more in RW. And many of them...many of you...think you want to "make a living" doing art. But can you? Probably not.

Over and over through my years on the net and in RW interactions with artists, I hear the cries of the talented and not so talented wishing desperately to "break into" being a "professional artist." But how many of those have the guts to get out a actually market themselves and their art. And how many are willing go the tedious, boring, frustrating, and mostly thankless miles of commission work that is an artist's bread and butter? Not many.

Most want to be discovered...for art that is commonplace at best with no real and marketable vision - pretty pictures on the wall is what they paint. And everybody does it. What makes the extraordinary is unique perspective, unique style, unique vision, unique artistic statement (the one imbued in your style, not the one you write.) Sure, a given amount of people will buy your artwork, but you certainly aren't going to get rich by it...unless you are one of the few, the chosen, and the lucky.

So what does that leave? Everything. But that everything is spelled W-O-R-K. Everything you see commercially produced requires some form of design or art. It requires an eye, a flair, a talent, a skill. And every art CAN be applied to a product - a product the artist produces or a product that someone else produces.

So, here are your markets...if you want to go the miles.
If you are a "fine artist"
1. start your own gallery or community gallery and learn how to play the market, bringing people to WANT to own a work featured in that gallery.
2. get a GOOD gallery to buy/show your paintings
3. become your own agent or get an agent
(this is a long, arduous, and difficult project for those of even uncommon talent)


If you want to produce art for commercial application
1. get a degree and get hired by an Inc.
2. do your own thing on a local and, in time, a regional level - work for hire projects for organizations (churches, small businesses, private parties, community projects, etc.)
3. do your own thing and create a product for your art or sidle up to someone with a product that needs your kind of art, then be ready for the manufacturing phase and the marketing of that product

BUT, always remember - working for yourself, working with someone else, and working on commission basis (work for hire) requires discipline to get through the drudgery. And doing art on demand, especially to the whims of clients, IS drudgery. Are you ready for that?

And even if you work completely for yourself, creating what you want, when you want, be aware that it still can become drudgery. There will still be headaches and the doing will become WORK, no less than that of any job.

The question becomes, can you, will you, do you really want to do it? And can you do it "on-demand" no matter what?

phacops, care to add here? I hope so.


CC

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 RE: So you wanna do it for a living... O Jan-20-02 1
   RE: So you wanna do it for a living... cybercobre Jan-20-02 2
 RE: So you wanna do it for a living... cybercobre Jan-20-02 3
   RE: So you wanna do it for a living... phacops Jan-20-02 4
       RE: So you wanna do it for a living... CarolleePartridge67 Jan-21-02 5
           RE: So you wanna do it for a living... phacops Jan-21-02 6
               RE: So you wanna do it for a living... CarolleePartridge67 Jan-22-02 7
                   RE: So you wanna do it for a living... phacops Jan-22-02 8
                       RE: So you wanna do it for a living... CarolleePartridge67 Jan-23-02 9
 RE: So you wanna do it for a living... anthonyjohnmendoza Apr-06-03 10
 RE: So you wanna do it for a living... woodman Apr-14-03 11
   RE: So you wanna do it for a living... lani Aug-08-04 12
 RE: So you wanna do it for a living... missbrown Aug-10-04 13

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O (38 posts) Click to EMail O Click to send private message to O Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-20-02, 03:37 AM (GMT)
1. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
I consider myself an emerging fine artist, and so possibly my attitudes will change at some point. I suppose I fall into the first category, the one that requires that you become your own agent. I have not made many sales, but the ones I have made were very satisfying to me, because the buyers were making the purchase based on something they related to in the piece rather than an investment in someone they thought might be famous someday. I don't generate enough income to support myself. I work a second, part time job in a completely unrelated field. I have tried freelancing custom printing and portraiture out of my darkroom, and found it to be one of the most depressing, demoralizing things I have ever done for money. I felt like a prostitute. I also interned with a commercial photographer for a period of time. I found out from this that 'art directors' and professional models make me physically ill. All of the commercial guys who I ended up being introduced to said the same depressing things. I would ask them, what do you do, you know, for yourself? To make you feel less shitty about life? And they would say, what do you mean, for myself, I work for the Birmingham News, that's what I do. This one guy I met who'd been a photojournalist for 19 years was quitting. He had recently started doing work that he really cared about again and he couldn't go back, he said he felt sick that he'd thrown it away for all those years. That really scared me.
I guess what I mean to say is that the idea of living out my years in destitution makes me feel less bad than the idea of doing something like that and having enough money.
But I do care. I want people to see my work. Of course I do. I also would like for them to buy it, if they like it. I would like for everyone to like my work and to buy it. However, I realize that's not going to happen and I'm about eighty percent okay with that. During the time that I've been my own agent, I've been pretty diligent and have gotten more shows than the people I went to school with. I guess that makes me feel like somebody. Having a portfolio full of work that I like and that I can show to people makes me feel like somebody. For right now, that seems to be good enough. I am nervous about my future. I am 25 now so I guess I've got an excuse not to have 'made it'. I don't know what will happen when I'm 35 and haven't 'made it'. Things could be different then. So, if you want to chuck me under the chin and laugh at my inexperienced ideas, I'll take it in stride.
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cybercobre (26 posts) Click to EMail cybercobre Click to send private message to cybercobre Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-20-02, 08:06 AM (GMT)
2. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
a realist. Good. And congrats on your success thus far. and it is success. Good job. Knowing what you DON'T want to do is exactly WHAT you must know. So is knowing what you DO want to do. Since you know both, you have a goal. Achievable. With work. And since you are not adverse to MARKETING yourself, I say, full steam ahead, O. ...And I would never chuck you or anyone under the chin. Not my style.


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cybercobre (26 posts) Click to EMail cybercobre Click to send private message to cybercobre Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-20-02, 12:06 PM (GMT)
3. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
O said:

"I have tried freelancing custom printing and portraiture out of my darkroom, and found it to be one of the most depressing, demoralizing things I have ever done for money. I felt like a prostitute. I also interned with a commercial photographer for a period of time. I found out from this that 'art directors' and professional models make me physically ill. All of the commercial guys who I ended up being introduced to said the same depressing things. I would ask them, what do you do, you know, for yourself? To make you feel less shitty about life? And they would say, what do you mean, for myself, I work for the Birmingham News, that's what I do. This one guy I met who'd been a photojournalist for 19 years was quitting. He had recently started doing work that he really cared about again and he couldn't go back, he said he felt sick that he'd thrown it away for all those years. That really scared me."

And that is the point of this thread I started. What O points out IS the reality of being a commercial artist, making a living doing art for others.

On the other hand, doing art for self is at once fulfilling, but is fraught with the danger of STARVATION. So what is important I believe is to find a balance...at least until and if you make it as a recognized and sought after fine artist, be that balance one of working at an unrelated job, or working at art on a commercial level to pay for the fulfillment of doing your own art on your time off.

Of course you can always just do your art as a personal avocation, but most dream of doing it as a full time profession. And that is the problem. It requires a commitment to self and to marketing. The question is: can you do it, especially in a era where creating art for one's own project is achievable by the untrained masses for their own pet projects.

I recently observed an indie artist who, well-funded by her divorce settlement and the sale of property, went out and created her entire CD professionally...sort of. She had it recorded and arranged in a professional sound studio, a studio that basically took her 3 chord "songs," arranged them (as in rewrote them and worked up all the back-up sound to enhance them - an art and the actual "making" of commercially successful music, by the way...at least in this case.) She had a professional photographer take candid shots, sent those to a trained artist, and had her album professionally designed. She "launched" the CD on a quasi well-advertised live gig in a public venue that included radio spots, newspaper stories, and the works. She then convinced her network of friends and supporters to show up and purchase tickets for the affair. It was a moderate success, and she sold a goodly amount of CDs.

Next she decided to "do it all herself."

So what happened? She printed out "do-it-at-home" advertising flyers, posting them around the town she decided to descend upon. She called in markers to get bigger, more known name artists to join her in the venue. And a moderate crowd of people, including the above named supporters and friends, appeared...and left when her act, the last act as headliner, took the stage. (The majority had come to see one of the other artists.) she did manage to make back what she put into it, plus enough to pay her hired backing band. What she made for all her effort was exactly $100. For 3 months of intensive work coordinating and producing the affair. Not a good, living wage for 3 months of work I'd say.

The point of this is: This is what the majority people with start-out projects out there are now doing (usually badly) with computers as "do-it-yourself-ers" what the professional did before. That means that professional artists, sound studios, etc., have to wait until the do-it-yourself-er figures out that it ain't quite as easy as it seems before the do-it-yourselfer decides that it might be worth hiring the professional to do what will take them months to learn. What usually happens (if the do-it-yourselfer doesn't just quit) is that they go out and find a top agency to produce them...if they can.

So that is what you are fighting on both ends as an artist. Are you a top name agency or a top name artist? Can you do the entire production package? Probably not. So they ain't going to come your way, are they?

And another question: Are you yourself a do-it-yourselfer? Probably. Yet you want others to beat a path to your door and pay you for what you yourself won't pay for - a trained professional to do what they do that is going to best further your cause within the means you have, enhancing what you do WHILE you do what you do best, in this case art?

Just thoughts and questions.


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phacops (542 posts) Click to EMail phacops Click to send private message to phacops Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-20-02, 03:23 PM (GMT)
4. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
Wow! I don't know where to begin here, but (as words never fail me!)I shall leap ahead anyway. Hopefully all will forgive my self-stories, as they are my best way to say "I have thought this through and this is what I have chosen to do for myself". I know that this is rather existential, but it is the only easy way to put a handle on it.

Firstly, each and every one of us should find something that we love and do it to the best of our ability. The benefits are obvious to anyone who has ever experienced love in any form. For me, that thing is art.

In the begining, I thought that what success meant was fame and fortune. I formulated a plan to 'get famous' and reap the accompanying financial benefits as well. The plan worked, as far as I took it. I got to see myself on TV, in newspapers and magazines, listen to my voice on the radio. Strange women would call at odd hours with entertaining offers, drop by the studio unexpectedly, fight over me etc. I could 'bump' people in restaurants, have the store owners wait on me personaly, wore $1000 suits, yaduh, yaduh, yaduh. It got old fast, though. It turned out that I didn't enjoy the lifestyle as much as I thought I would, and the lack of privacy got to be a drag. So I moved to another city, got an unlisted phone number and spent some time thinking about what I was to do.

I redefined success for myself. I had to continue doing art, but I dropped all of the flash and glitter. My 'lions mane' of hair went out with the $1000 suits and the dance clubs. I went low- roller and blue collar. Sold my custom auto and got a pick-up truck. (Now its a Safari van.) After many years, here I am. I have acheived most of the success that I desire. My wife, son and dog, my friends, my extremely well equipped studio and my rubust health-these are my real wealth. I have work to do every day-art work. Rather than begrudge the mundane aspects of conservation or commission work, I revel in my good fortune in having a steady flow of artwork to do. I have purpose beyond mere survival, and I value it all the more for having gone through all of the bullshit for so many years.

This is not to say that I have no complaints or that my life is easy, but that is not my focus. Rather than cranking out a pile of mediocre, common or mundane art, I focus on 2 major types of project. 1) Places, things or persons that I want to have 'right there' all of the time. Example: 14 hours drive North of my home and a days hike South along the Ojibwe coastal trail along the shores of Lake Superior is a small cove-one of my favourite places in the whole world. After 2 years of visits any many photos and sketches, I produced a large oil of same to hang on my dining room wall. Because I wanted it. The second type of work that I pursue is what I would call 'major' (also cerebral, important, big effort etc) These are pieces that use all of my skills, years of effort and 'blood sweat and tears'. The multi-theme mathematic ceramic tile mural is a good example of these.

As to sales, showing etc...while these are indeed important for practical purpose, they are not so important for personal purpose. I too have encountered art gallerys that will be glad to 'give' you a 1 person show, for a fee. Same with the media. Fair weather friends are always available for cost-but I don't need the adulation of a crowd to be happy or fulfilled. It is very important to remember the balance-to be happy, you must experience sadness, to appreciate wealth, you must have been poor. If you consider yourself a failure, then you are. Contrarywise, if you consider yourself a success, then you are. I consider myself a success. Time to take my family out for a 10 mile walk through the snow and ice-should be refreshing!

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CarolleePartridge67 (1101 posts) Click to EMail CarolleePartridge67 Click to send private message to CarolleePartridge67 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-21-02, 06:31 AM (GMT)
5. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-02 AT 06:35 AM (GMT)

wow..........it sounds like this was written for me?
I love art....
I love creating....
I could do it 24-7.....
......but I toooooo have to make a living and pay the bills.
I do not have an education (10th was my number) Found my self divorced , two kids and a jerk-off ex who would never help to support them...soooooooo, off to work we go in the only field I knew that would give me enough money to support them. I went into the steel industRy ....working very hard, with a grinder and a torch in hand. I have since , after 20 years worked my way up to being in the office and now the purchasing manager "of the steel". I am not rich, and never will be, but thats ok with me too.
I believe sometimes people are lucky....they meet the right person at the right time and bingo....success.
In any industry.....music , art , whatever.
I believe too that there are many people who have worked their butts off to get where they are.....
my point .....some people are self made / some people are born into it and some are fortunate to be at the right place and meet the right people.
I believe that some of the "greatest artist known", are not really the best artist....have seen some wonderful things done by people that no one knows.
soooooooooooo, do I wanna be an artist?........of course, doesn't anyone who loves art....fact remains, I don't know where to start, how to start, and how to present myself.
That is why people hire agents etc.........people who know the trade. I would never want a free ride ......I would want to be in it with both feet, no matter how many hours it took....only myself , like many others have to make those hours around their "real job". This girl wasn't born with a silver-spoon.
I have a friend, who has made a good business in musical instruments.....said you have to work very hard and it is obtainable. I said I disagreed...sometimes money and other things
are the obstacles that prevent "your dream". Sometimes we have had to choose a different path, distant from the direction really wanting to go. oh wellllllll, listen to me.......
Trust me ..if I could have seen my life...I would have gone to school ...gotten a degree , married a rich man and lived happily ever after........butttttttttt
now I'll scrape every now and then , but WOW....MY LIFE IS NOT SO BAD and I have a wonderful family and some really good friends .......I can always DREAM.

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phacops (542 posts) Click to EMail phacops Click to send private message to phacops Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-21-02, 02:42 PM (GMT)
6. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-02 AT 02:47 PM (GMT)

The thing with "fine art" is that it needs to be extremely personal and by so doing be near universal. People who do not speak your language need to relate to your work, but it should feel as though you are super-personal, open and vulnerable as well.

I have developed the habit of education for entertainment. I used to shoot, ski, boat, motorcycle, bowl, golf, hang out in many sports venues etc. I quit all of that stuff. Now I read books, experience media (TV, radio, papers etc) walk (a la DaVinci), and do trips around the US and Canada. I camp if that is possible, and hike constantly. I talk to everybody we encounter. (There is a strong link between walking and higher brain functions. Want your brain to work better? Walk alot. Another fun corelation:want to do better music? Study math. Better math? Study music. Adjacent brain areas benefit from increased blood flow to a more highly used neighbor.) We dig for fossils in ditches and search road cuts for mineral specimens, making frequent stops so I can shoot pictures while "on vacation". Quotes because I am working as we go-I only really don't when I am (extremely) ill. Everybody goes-my dog rides shotgun while my wife does stuff with our son in the back seat. This is what I want from life. My art cannot be from other than my world. I am here now, it behooves me to appreciate what I have.

I must admit, however, that I have nearly died a couple of times as I have gone along. It has been said, with great truth, that this effects ones perceptions of importance. Again-this is relative to your definition of success. I have had many friends that have died. Some had fame, some had money and some neither. I am alive-that counts for alot with me.

I do not live on easy street, but I don't need to. I am an adult survivor of extreme repeated physical, emotional and sexual child abuse by a close female relative. It sure is nice not to have someone doing terrible things to me. (I will be enthusiastic to discuss this in total detail with anybody who wants to blame men in general for such evil deeds.) I can also state that the cycle ended with me and that I was able to grow past the issues that such treatment gave me with women. I have a son who has never felt my hand in punishment or anger. We are a non-violent home (excepting the usual martial arts training disclamer), a rare and seemingly radical concept in this oft barbarous world. While my wife and I have our minor disagreements, we don't have 'blow-ups' or the like. We have a system that works without hurts. This has given me a broad base for my self esteem. Especially so as it comes from within me, and as such, another person cannot shake it.

I do not attatch to fame or large amounts of money as a measure of artistic success. Fame can mean enough money and ease for you to loose touch with the very culture that you have taken to portray. It killed John Lennon (among others). I do not desire to have unsafe sex with strangers or to put myself above others. Expensive clothing is cumbersome and uncomfortable-I can do the splits and kick to the head in my baggy jeans. Like Albert Einstein I enjoy most the feel of worn out tennis shoes. Well, running shoes. Close enough. It is quite difficult enough to run my own life-I do not desire the responsability of running anybody elses.

You will note that I write in the manner I have suggested to create "fine art". This as words are the same as any visual media, and the very tools of intellect. Something to consider.

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CarolleePartridge67 (1101 posts) Click to EMail CarolleePartridge67 Click to send private message to CarolleePartridge67 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-22-02, 02:57 AM (GMT)
7. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
ahhhhhhhh, such words.....i actually didn't want to stop reading.
Really , have you thought of writing a book???
Poetry....shear poetry.
You should be proud of yourself....and what you have accomplished in life. I am truely sorry for your "abuse" (I know only from experience with my grandaughter and daughters what it can do to you) I can only be there if they need me...and I am !

About death.....thank goodness you have lived on....for we wouldn't know such words that you give us among the "critiques".
I said once ........you seemed very happy with your wife and son...but most of all yourself!!! Venture on...you have lots to give!! You can't die........you have a book to write.

Your story is "fine art"
Hats off to you!

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phacops (542 posts) Click to EMail phacops Click to send private message to phacops Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Jan-22-02, 01:07 PM (GMT)
8. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
Writing a book is somewhere in the great pile of possible projects that I have assigned myself to consider, though it may well be awhiles before I get to it.

I guess that, if I had to say anything briefly (hard for me!), I would say that the big lessons that I have gained from my life experience are the old saw "if life hands you lemons, make lemonaide" and "you are what you believe that you are". The power of self direction is immense, and any of us that has the love of another is successful, in my humble opinion at least.

My near death experiences were a result of my own youthful stupidity in the first case and a drug-resistant bacterial infection in the second instance. I am indeed most fortunate to be here still, and do not forget that for a minute.

Surviving abuse has given me strength of character and a larger-than-average concern for children, especially as regards violence (also a rather uncommon perspective). I have acheived a large measure of closure and value highly the traits that said closure has imbued me with. It is unfortunate that we (as a culture) have tolerated such behavior for so long. I am pleased that womens and childrens issues have become more important to us in the recent past-a trend that I hope continues.

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Jan-23-02, 02:49 AM (GMT)
9. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
What ever would the title be??????????
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Apr-06-03, 03:15 AM (GMT)
10. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
I say forget making a living at it. Find an easy job that only requires 40 hours a week or less and no overtime. Then you can create without the stress of having to make a living.

Look, a financially successful fine artist spends half their time marketing themselves and half doing art. I spend half my time earning a living and half doing art. What is the difference? Only that I probably make better money.

I give away most of what I create and greatly enjoy the thrill of the happiness it gives others. (I also do it for the ego boost I get when other people say how great of artist I am -- especially people I respect)

AJM

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woodman (3 posts) Click to EMail woodman Click to send private message to woodman Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Apr-14-03, 01:29 AM (GMT)
11. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
Hello, my name is Johnny W. Morlan. Whether I am an artist is a matter of ones opinion. My medium is wood. I have written an article which has been published and featured in newsletters and on websites. I have helped painters, sculptures, illustrators, photographers and other artists produce more sales. My profile and some of my accomplishments are featured on my personal website http://www.morlanwoodgifts.com I am registered here at World Artist Directory under Artists of North America and the subcategories of Crafts and Other. 95% of my sales are retail. I do not wholesale!

I will add that the personal attributes and personally triats one has to have to be successful are numerous and some of them can be taught, some cannot. From my experiences, most people do not what to hear what it really takes to be successful.

27 Tips To Becoming A Successful Artist

The Tips Are Not In Any Particular Order.
Each One Is Important.

1 Choose a medium that you have a passion for.

2 Do your homework. Study that medium; study the style of all the artists in the world in that medium you can.

3 Do what 99% of people won't do.

4 Create your own style. Stand out from the crowd. TV show producers look for this and it also eliminates most of the competition.

5 Offer your art in a wide price range. Have something for all wallet sizes.

6 Always give the customer more than they expected to get.

7 People love to deal with professionals. Present a class act. Always present youself, art and business in a professional matter. That includes having a logo, letterhead, business card and the merchandising that accompanies your art.

8 Don't be afraid to be different. Do not follow a trail, make the trail for others to follow you.

9 Always price your art so you have room to barter. Leave yourself say 10% for this. A certain percentage of people love doing business this way. It makes them fell good. Caution do not take this too far!

10 Give a small percentage {3% is good} discount for customers paying in cold cash versus say credit cards.

11 If you accept credit cards and the customer is paying for the artwork with a credit card, offer them a two or three-payment plan if the purchase is say over $100.00. This will generate more sales and give some of your customers a chance and way to buy and own your art. This is especially good during the Christmas season.

12 Have a quantity buying discount schedule. This works well for companies and corporations that like to buy gifts for their employees and during the Christmas season.

13 Always respond and return phone calls and e-mails as promptly as possible. It makes one extreme difference! Preferably within 24 hours. When I phone or e-mail people a lot of times the first response over the phone or line they write in their e-mail is thank you for contacting me back so quickly.

14 Hard work! Long hours! These are the two most important factors that will help you create your own luck.

15 Remember all criticism is are people stating their opinions. Should go in one ear and out the other. After all, you are the one expressing yourself! Only a small percentage of people are going to like your art. All artists have their followers.

16 Remember that there are three ways to do anything in life the wrong way, the right way and your way.

17 Believe in yourself and know when your art is among the best. You will know this from the body language, facial expressions, and the eyes {eye contact} of the people viewing your art.

18 Convey a positive attitude at all times and only associate yourself with people that have positive attitudes about you and your work. Get rid of the non-believers and pessimists!

19 Never give up no matter how hard it gets. Have persistence and determination.

20 Don't listen to relatives, friends, neighbors, and coworkers or any one else that gives you that line of bull that artists starve!

21 Be a jack-of-all-trades master of none. Learn as much as you can about business, self-promoting, advertising, merchandising, photography or any other subjects they will help and save you money in your business. After all an artist is an entrepreneur. The only one that can truly sell your art is you!

22 Treat all clients as if they were made of gold because they are precious.

23 Never do commissioned work without a written and signed contract!

24 Even with a written and signed contract never start work on a commissioned job without first receiving 30%-50% deposit upfront of the total price!

25 Never sign or sell a creation you are not proud of!

26 Pricing their artwork is very difficult for most artists! There are so many variables involved. You should always price your work, regardless of where it is being sold. You should include shipping and handling in the USA in the retail price. Most people will not take the time to contact you for a price and they hate to ask. Also people will think you are playing the price game. Here's how it goes. The first person or couple of people that contact you, you quote a price. If they accept without hesitation you will probably assume you are not asking for enough and raise it. The next contact you raise the price. Vice versa if you do this say a couple or three times and they do not buy you will probably assume you are asking to much and lower the price. The problem is that customers know this. Pricing your work shows professionalism, shows you have confidence in yourself, you have put a price on yourself and that you are not playing the price game. Remember price is a matter of opinion; you are not going to please everybody!

27 Never stop learning!

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Aug-08-04, 05:20 PM (GMT)
12. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
Thank you so much for the 27 tips. It was very helpful and inspiring to me.
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Aug-10-04, 00:12 AM (GMT)
13. "RE: So you wanna do it for a living...."
Well...I was sure I wanted to be an artist since I was 16. That's when I was sure it was possible to be successful at it. At that time I had won a few prizes at a local gallery and I really started feeling like I was actually beginning a career. I'm turning 19 and I'm getting ready to start my studies at The Ontario College of Art and Design (OCAD) to earn my BFA in 4 years. I want to be a successful artist really badly (which to me means living comfortably on it, and staying true to myself).

But I am scared. I mean it's scary to try to look into the future and wonder where I'm going to end up as an artist. Everyone at some point wants fame. But fame in the artworld seems to be a combination of 1) Name recognition, and 2) People paying a million or more for something just because a particular artist's name is on it. In other words, famous artist today become "brands". And it doesn't matter what the quality is of their work. I don't want that, I want people to love my work because it's good and have them know it's good without me or someone else having to explain why it's good.

Yes, I want people to develope confidence in me and my abilities as an artist but I don't want that to turn into people just blindly buying my work because my name is on it. Because then it would look bad on me, like I had nothing else to offer. Mind you, I doubt it'll get that far but I am determined to have my success. I have designed my own website and business card and I'm lucky to have support from family and friends. They're the ones who (unlike myself) aren't embarrased to tell people I do good work. And that's how I get my offers.

My biggest source of worry is that I am a realist artist and that's what I'm sticking with. We all know that this is a moderninst world (some say there's a change ahead...) so, I'm worried about people dismissing my work just on the grounds of, "Oh, she's just one of those traditionalists who fails to think for herself and create new ideas." And to make it worse, I'm going to a modernist institution (which all universities are). So the future looks very shaky to me but I'm going to try my best to hold it together...

-Crystal

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